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MattsFlyin
Unregistered User
(7/24/04)
Owen's Report
Lori and I arrived at about 7:30 Thursday at Tuttle Creek. Big Pine is having two lanes added thru the middle of town but other than that and the usual fire in Yosemite the route looked the same.
Friday we went up to launch at about 8:30. No one was there but us. Within 1 minute Mike Kunitani showed up with 5 gliders on his truck but only him in it. Mike was on his way home after ten days there. I think he said 117 was their longest.
Launched at 10:30 in a good cycle and easily climbed out to almost 12k. The Sierra was working great with the only clouds far to the west. Made good time to Tinemaha, climbed out to 16K and crossed over to Black.
Got to Black at 7500, thrashed around for 20 minutes and climbed out to 13k.
My quarter is running out here in the Lone Pine internet cafe and I'm broke so to make a long story I got 116 miles to Giroex Mine along Hwy 360 in Nevada. Made it to 17500 over Boundary where it was 33ø! I'll fill in the details later.

Matt

Leo Jones
Unregistered User
(7/24/04)
Only 116 miles!!??
Sounds like a really crappy flight. It must have sucked!

Leo (not jealous)Jones

MattsFlyin
Unregistered User
(7/25/04)
Owens Report Continued
To continue my report I have to say that the best flight of the day should probably go to Nobu. What's a Nobu you say? I guess I should back up a little. A Nobu is a Japanese pilot visiting the USA and flying the Owen's for the first time. Mike had mentioned that he (Nobu) had flown from Walt's the previous day or two and had managed a very conservative 8 miles. Apparently Nobu is an experienced pilot and is rapidly developing an appetite for big miles. Seems to be alot of that going around these days. Nobu came to the States for a month or two of flying and purchased a U2? I think it was. He flew in Colorado abit before arriving in the Owens? and doesn't speak English very well so I couldn't really get the facts straight.

But anyway, he got to launch soon after Mike had left and began to set up. I was busy since the cycles were good and you know how that goes. In case you don't know...as soon as you set up, the cycles quit! So I was not feeling very chatty. I was already late after "chatting" in camp while preparing to go up to launch. Two sailplane pilots who used to fly hang gliders came over and visited with Lori and me. Sometimes this comraderie of pilots is a drag!;) Also Nobu's driver, a big local feller named Bill? was very friendly. Some of you may remember him from last year. I finally had to crank up the stereo to stop him from talking Lori's ear off. She'd look funny with one ear and I like her just the way she is.

After getting my glider and equipment set I spoke with Nobu to get his radio frequency and flight plan for safety. We were going to fly on different freqs but at least Lori could talk to them if needed. Imagine having the whole Owens Valley to yourself I thought! I could hardly wait to get in the air and right on cue it started blowing DOWN!!! Luckily it was a weak effort and I soon had a decent cycle. Nobu was off within a few minutes after me.

I climbed out to 10k moved back in front and climbed again to almost 12k. Nobu had gotten the 12k thermal right after launching and was already on course when I topped out. I realized immediately that this was a good strong day, knew that going deep was not necessary and was in fact detrimental to a long flight. Nobu either didn't know this or didn't care. His flight plan was to get to Bishop so it really didn't matter that much for him. So of course I easily out distanced him, skipping 2-3 ridges at a time, only stopping when I got below 12k and pressing on when I was above 13k. At times I was able to climb while gliding on and made it to Levine's Ravine on the front of Goodale in 1h 45m. Barry's glider is still there in the same spot. I was just below 12k at this point and had seen Nobu only occasionally. He had changed tactics and was ridge hopping also.

In past years Goodale has been bery, bery good to me and in fact I'd never even bothered with Tinemaha. This year was the same. I got 16.5k at Goodale. I like Goodale because it's perfectly in line with Crater Mtn and Black and more in line with the usual southerly winds. Mike was monitoring and mentioned no wind in Big Pine currently and 17k at Tinemaha the previous day. Hmmm I thought.I'll try Tinemaha today and maybe get to Black above the peak! The best I could do there was 16.5k so I pulled the string and left. Nobu was nowhere in sight. I figured he sunk out just after Onion Valley since it was the usual place to sink out and he was low there. Poor Nobu had lost it on a great day.:(

As I mentioned earlier Black was a bitch. My barogram shows it actually took 25 minutes for me to get from 7.5 to 13k there. I was very happy to finally leave. Just as I was leaving I saw a glider get there low.Nobu! Now we'll see how good he is!! I was already nearing 14k crossing Black Canyon and saw Nobu give up on the southerly side of Black where I had scratched my way up. "Oh crap!" I thought. Mike had mentioned that a common mistake made at Black was to go for the west facing slopes and sink out instead of sticking it out on the rowdy southerly flank. Poor Nobu was doomed.:( I was well past the canyon now and looked back to see him fly around into Black Canyon and disappear from sight. I asked Lori if she could communicate with Nobu or Bill but they would not answer.

I'll have to continue this tomorrow. I hope you are on the edge of your seat and will come back for more long winded adventures of "Where's Nobu??" You won't be disappointed.

Matt

Vince Endter
'02,'03 Go-For-It Champ
(7/26/04)
Re: Owens Report Continued
Great flight Matt!. To be able to set up at Walt's and have the entire launch to yourself makes me want to go back.

And great story telling too.

Vince

Dave Clement
Member
(7/27/04)
What happen next?
Matt, We're all waiting to hear the rest of the story. If you are interested on going again this season ,please let me know. Dave

MattsFlyin
Unregistered User
(7/28/04)
Owens...The Final Chapter
A few minutes later Nobu came back out of Black Canyon, still low but still flying. "Whew!" A divine wind must have helped him I thought. He continued his low level (from my perspective) assault on the White Mtns as I pursued the first cumulus of the day after more than 3 hrs of flying. At this point just past Silver Canyon the clouds were nicely developed and I was at the south end of the "street" just drooling at the prospect. Soon I was at 15.3k and getting bounced around as I topped out. Now I noticed that Nobu was catching up to me but still way low. Since the lift was strong where I was I wondered if he was staying low on purpose. It seemed that he could easily climb up if he wanted.

Lori was at the 72 mile mark at this point and I 75 miles out. The lift began to go even higher. After a minute or two Lori told me that she could finally see me. I knew we were going at least to Basalt today so I asked Lori to cruise ahead and gather some wind info. It seemed as if Nobu was listening because he also cruised ahead of me now but even still was low, about 10k I surmised. Mount Dubois is the high point of the Whites and I was headed right for it with good lift all around. I saw Nobu head out into the valley even lower near Boundary Peak as I reached 17.5k and 33øF over Mount Dubois. Poor Nobu I thought.came all this way today to sink out just short of 100 miles.:(

Even with 5 layers I was starting to feel the cold so I pulled up my turtle neck and made a bee-line for Basalt. A chilly glide later I was back in the sun and climbing. Now after more than 4.5 hrs I was really feeling the fatigue and the wind had begun to shift to the east. Although not a headwind, the direction was not favorable since I was headed NE to Tonopah Junction. After leaving the previous thermal I noticed that the air was very bouncy and found it hard to glide straight. My left arm and the right side of the back of my neck were worn out. I began to consider my options. Lori called my attention to the dust devils forming below. Since I was only about 7 or 8 miles from my personal best I tried and succeeded to find one more thermal which would prove to be the last of the day for me. I could see another dusty just ahead but was too low to take advantage of it. I was going to come up a bit short of my longest flight.

Now it was all I could do to stay focused on wind direction and speed. Bouncy air and tired arms make for sloppy flying. Sloppy flying close to ground makes for broken gliders and maybe even broken pilots. The time to land was at hand. Personal bests would have to wait. Lori had given me a wind report a few minutes ago but I had to overfly her position to avoid the dusty there. Now as I got lower I could feel the headwind and see my ground speed decrease. Seemed like an easy landing if I could just get it down straight in to the wind. However.the lower I got, the lighter the wind became until it felt like I had a slight tailwind. I circled and reached for my streamer. "Crap!" I had forgotten to position the streamer before launch and now I had no time to fish it out of my chest pocket. I took my best guess and "landed" going downwind in a light breeze. One whack later I was picking sand out of my teeth and cussin' like a sailor. Didn't even bend a downtube but tweaked the hell out of my ego!

Lori was immediately there to help me pack up and just a quickly a trucker stopped to inform us "Some Japanese feller just landed near Basalt and had lost contact with his driver". Nobu in Basalt!? We packed up my stuff and set off to find him. As we passed his last know location we called out on the radio and scanned the roadside but no Nobu. Poor Nobu had flown over 100 miles and was now lost in Nevada.:(

After a nice dinner in Lone Pine Lori and I returned to Tuttle Creek but no Nobu.:( After a restful evening we woke to a beautiful day but no Nobu.:( We drove up to launch and met Ben Rogers, Wayne Michelson and another pilot named Bill who was driving but no Nobu.:( Was he still out there somewhere? We returned to camp to pack up and head for Bridgeport. Just as we were leaving the campground (we were at the entrance on Horseshoe Meadows Road) guess who drives up. Nobu!:rollin With a big grin :grin he tells us about his low save just before Montgomery Pass. This last thermal carried him from 9k to 13k and onto Basalt. He never heard from his driver the whole flight :\ , blew off the flight plan to Bishop :lol and hitched back from Basalt :p . As we drove out of the valley we could hear that Ben had landed at Big Ears and Wayne was on his way to a 100 miler. :beer

Matt

Dick Girard
Member
(7/29/04)
Owens...The Final Chapter
Matt,

Outstanding story-telling! I was riveted! I love it: "Where's Nobu?" Way cool story. And congratuations on an outstanding flight.

Dick Girard

waynemichelsen
Unregistered User
(7/29/04)
Owens Saturday - Wayne and Ben
The Plan:
Owens Valley, just for the weekend, during a 100+ heat wave, in July... is this nuts? Of course... but we have a driver! In fact, not just any driver, but Bill Seneshen... H3, XC wannabe, nice, intelligent, somewhat normal. All good changes from most HG types, and finally a relief from my standard side-kick, Ben.

The Drive:
The plan was to pack up at my house at 6:00, head over to get Bill, and hit the highway by 6:30. Well, it was barely 5:00 when the whining started. "Ring ring... are you leaving work yet?" "Not yet, 6:00 at my house" "Lets go now, I'm already on my way" "Well, I still got stuff to do" "Come on, just log out and lets go" Aaarrgghh! Wha wah wah. The whining just continued for the next 56 hours. Unfortunately, he was partly right. We left Bill's place at 6:30 and immediately got stuck in the middle of w/e traffic all the way to Madera. With the usual stops for vehicle and personal sustainence, we finally arrive in Lone Pine at 2:30a.

Saturday:
We wake to clear blue sky and nil wind. Arriving at launch at 9:00a, we leasurely set up. We are the only flyers there. Matt Jagelka drives up with glider on car, but had flown 116 miles Friday and is wiped for the w/e. He tells us the story of his flight, but the cycles are starting and it's hard to stand by and listen. The cycles are coming in good by 10:00 and I punch off around 10:30. Believe it or not, I actually launch before Mr.-I'm-all-set-up-can't-wait-any-longer-Ben.

I immediately rocket to 11.4K in front of launch, not even bothering with the saddle. I watch Ben launch off, but it's a bit bumpy and I don't feel like hanging out for him. I get a 3 mile head start and Ben is flying fast to catch/keep up. At each spine, I plan to hold up so we can fly together. But, it's turbulent enough that I always run away hoping the next spine is smoother. That's the story for the entire flight along the Sierras, we're flying together, but separated by a ridge or two.

The turbulence feels like lee-side westerlies may be starting, but I'm not crabbing into the hills at any point. Tight and ratty thermals all along the Sierras instead seem to be from moderate 10 mph SW wind shearing them off. Both of us mostly stayed between 10.5K and 13K. Inter-thermal ground speed was often 45+ mph due to tail-wind component and (for me) pull-in pucker procedure. In fact, Ben and I make Birch by 12:30, less than 2 hours.

At Birch, I climb to 14.1K and head across. Ben climbs to 13K and follows. Lots of initial sink followed by net-zero gives me a low arrival at Black of 7500. The temptation is to head toward the west near side. But, having scratched along that side before and failed, I fought the temptation and went farther on into the bowl on the south side. Ben was of weaker willpower, drawn to the west side, seduced by the Sirens, and was lured down to the Warm Springs... but alas, the dozen nymphs were not found and Ben spends the next hour waiting for Bill. Now, Bill's a good looking guy, but somehow just not the same ;-)

The south face of Black works for me. There was a 15mph south wind, and in varied combination of ridge lift and thermal, I eventually climbed out and continue on. The Sierras were rough, and from my prior flights, I only remember the shallow Whites being worse. I'm not looking forward to the next hour and I'm right. The turbulence is bad. I keep leaving thermals early just to get to the next ridge where I hope to find something smoother. No dice.

Finally, I get to the steep Whites with a sigh of relief. This section has been smoother in the past. Unfortunately not today. My relief is smashed with wire twangs and slack strap jerks. Frankly, it's really getting annoyning. But, the 'hunerd' is doable, and the worst should be behind me.

Still, the Whites go by fast. With the strong south still pushing, I'm making great time with long glides of 50+mph. By 2:30, I've reach the "Boundary Bend" (the corner by Boundary Peak where you'd fly out to Janies, or over toward Montgomery Pass). That's 100 miles in just 4 hours, and it sure seems like I could get another 100 if luck is with me. I tell Bill and Ben that I'm probably about to lose radio contact. Matt comes on the radio from Walt's Point (we actually have great contact) and he relays the same information for safety. I'm wishing for that 150 miler or at least beating Ben's 115 from 2 years ago. But, I'm worn out, really not having fun, and things are about to get a whole lot worse.

In case you missed it, there's been a strong south wind. Up at Boundary, it's actually even stronger SE (20+). Now, Boundary Peak is 13.1K and I'm just not thinking about what's happening. At 11K as I start over towards Montgomery Pass, I fly right into the rotor of Boundary Peak. By the time I realize it, I'm deep into it. I get twanged, rocked, and pitched violently. Double pegged up followed immediately by double pegged down. The climax was a pair of slack strap caribiner smacks to my helmet. I've been holding on tight all day, but I now have a clenched death grip on the bar. For the next 10 minutes, I'm stuffing it just to get the heck out of there and doing my best to keep it straight. I'm also plummeting at -1000fpm.

I finally escape and make it to the low hills on the other side of Boundary Peak south of Montgomery Pass. I don't find even a scrit of lift, so I eyeball Queen Valley Ranch where I landed 2 years ago. However, that's about 1-mile off hwy-6, so I decide to head along the road to the base of the pass. As I scope out a level sage area, I drift over the low hills on the other side of the road and find some lift. The little thermals are reasonably strong, but broken and drifting to the NW. I scratch around in them for 20 minutes as I slowly gain enough to think about getting over the pass and at least matching Ben's 115.

For the next 10 minutes, I struggle to follow the road east over the pass against the strong SE wind. There aren't any obvious LZs over the pass, and I'd be embarrassed to describe what I was planning to use for bail-outs. But, I finally get into clear area and head north along Hwy-360/Hwy-10 toward Tonopah.

The rest of the flight is just a drift along, over the road, in utter exhaustion. I didn't find any more thermals, and frankly, I didn't really care. As I descend, I hear Ben calling out on the radio. We slowly regain radio contact. I land just around the final bend and 2 miles short of Tonopah Junction for 122.4 miles in 5:45 flight time. Whew!!

Less than a minute later, Ben and Bill pull up, crack open a beer, walk out, hand it to me, and ask, "Why aren't you broken down yet?" Dripping in sweat, I collapse in a heap, and with my last breath I weaze out a reply... "P*ss off" ;-)

Wayne

WMichelsen
Member
(7/29/04)
Owens Sunday - Wayne and Ben
Sunday:
Again we woke to clear blue sky and nil wind. As we packed up the car, another HG pilot pulled up. Nobu, a Japanese guy on a solo flying holiday... for 3 months! His English wasn't great, but we all got by. We loaded his gear and headed up the hill.

Upon arriving at Walt's Pt. at 9:00, the streamer was showing good strong cycles of about 10-15. Unfortunately, it was mostly down. We offered to set up Nobu and toss him off, but he wasn't used to such warm American hospitality and politely declined. We hung around for 45 minutes, but nothing changed so it was time for a new plan.

How about checking out Cerro Gordo? CG is the old site directly across the dry lake from Walt's where the Nationals were held in the 80s (?). The peak was listed on the map, and there was even an old mining town of Cerro Gordo and a Cerro Gordo road up the hill. The road up to the old launch was closed, but we found another road going up to an antennae farm with launchable faces. The wind was coming in straight, but Ben's ASI was showing gusts to 30+. Hmmm, think I'll pass. We drive back down, drop off Nobu, and can the day... almost.

Toward late afternoon, we thought we'd check out Flynn's. Neither of us had been there before, but finding it was not too difficult. We got up there around 4:30 and it was looking pretty good. We were actually on a mound about 200 yards behind and 170 feet above Flynn's. Ben decided this spot was good enough, so we unloaded him. I decided I really wanted the more open hill even though it was lower. One oversight cost us 45 minutes to make that 200 yards, but we finally got there.

From Flynn's, I watched Ben launch off in a bit of a creative but sketchy maneuver. He got airborne, but was then getting drilled pretty good on his way out front. It looked like he was headed for a sledder. But, he did an amazing feat of scratching from 300' and pulled off the low save eventually working back up to Flynn's where I was finishing my setup.

As Ben scratched around in front in light ridge lift, I launched off smoothly. We were both in the air at 6:00p. A little ridge lift play myself and I eventually got enough room to work a thermal. This thermal was a beauty. Smooth, consistent, 400 fpm, and carried me from 5800 to 10.4K. Ben found this same thermal, but didn't find the same core, and struggled a bit more.

From here, things got good. I mean really good. Like fantastically, totally good. While Ben was slowly climbing, I headed north along the Whites. Starting out at 10.4K, I flew straight, roughly 10 miles north, to arrive with an altitude of 10.5K :-) By then, Ben had gotten up and headed north, too. So, I flew straight for 7 miles back south to meet up and arrived with an altitude of 11.5K!

This was an amazing glass-off (?). Smooth, abundant, boaty. Actually, there was one section, right where we roundevous with pretty strong lift. Smooth, but strong. It was blue sky, but I was getting sucked up pretty good. I stuffed and flew out toward the valley to find the edge, and it was a long way out.

Right about then, Ben radios that he finally had a good thermal and was passing 12K. I warned him of my fear (but then, I'm always scared) that there may be a convergence developing and that it may be hard to come down. His reply: "I hope so". Well, be careful what you wish for.

The next radio contact is: "I'm passing 13K and it's getting better." "14.2K and I'm trying to get out of here" "14.5K and I'm in trouble" At least, it's all blue sky. But, all I can do is hope he finds the edge. And thus, Ben's TIWTIWGTD moment.

He does fly out front, and eventually finds neutral air. We start heading north again. From here on out it is absolute bliss. We boat along between 10.4K and 10.7K for the next 20 miles in glass zero sink.

At 8:00p the sun is low and we're a 5-mile glide from Benton (where Hwy-120, and our road home, starts). I leave the Whites at 9300 and arrive at 7400 getting 14:1 at 30+ mph. Ben does even better on his glide out. Bill is in town scoping out LZs. We land in a beautiful field right in the middle of town for 31.4 miles and 2:10 time.

We're finally on the road at 9:00p. That get's us home around 3:00a. But, for this kind of flight, it's *way* worth it :-)

Wayne

Lori Allen
Member
(7/29/04)
Great stories!!!
Gosh, I wish my Owens Valley story was nearly so exciting but as it was, I found myself in the Owens at the intersection of 190 and 395 weekend before last south of Lone Pine, but it was in a motor vehicle because it was a long-promised family trip to (groannn ... cringe) Disneyland that included two families (sort of a warped version of the Brady Bunch). Guess I was crossing through the Owens about the same time y'all were having these marvelous flights.

Gosh, it sure is breathtakingly gorgeous there by the way.

Lori

Mike K
Unregistered User
(7/29/04)
Mike's summary & Matt's Prologue:
We arrived in the Owens on July 13, but were forewarned by our LA flying friend, Stuart Anderson, that there had been quite a lot of smoke in the southern valley due to forest fires in the LA area. During our first 4 days there was a lot of intense smoke southeast of the valley which would work its way into the southern half of the valley each afternoon and mostly clear out during the nights. July 14 was very windy with high clouds from the SW, even at Mozurka, so we chose not to fly. On Thur. We launched at Walts and danced our way down the Sierras at lower altitudes in weak lift, about 12K max. We had to bail about 1PM as the Sierra lift dwindled; I was further down the ridge than the others and left at Lookout. Over the highway I started to find small thermals and bubbled along the highway going North, threatening to land every 5 miles or so. As I passed Big Ears, then Bishop, then Laws, I got up to 11K and tried to fly back into the Whites but extreme turbulence dissuaded me from that route. So I stuck with what was working, just flying down the valley. Short of Benton that strategy stopped working too, so I landed at 86 mi. This was a fairly relaxed flight, as the valley thermals were quite soft, and the distance was mostly through the Southern tailwind.

Friday dawned clearer, and the lift down the Sierras was a bit better, getting to 13-14K further down the ridge. However, the cloudbase was rather low, about 15 K, which would later be limiting. Paul Susman launched well ahead of me and was the first to reach Black. Unfortunately he was not able to get up and landed at Big Ears. I got up at Black Mt. and flew Northward, but the extensive cloud cover and low cloud base meant that I had to avoid the crest of the Whites as there was precious little altitude between the ridgeline and cloudbase. I was concerned about a big patch of cloudsuck (it was strong at times) and little working vertical space. Thus I worked my way down the front of the Whites with very little circling, and flew around the base of Boundry Peak instead of over it. Cloud cover over the desert was also extensive, and flying North towards Mina I hit some very light rain. This sinking air put me on the deck for 117 mi.

The next 4-5 days was either raining and blowing hard or short flights to Lake Diaz. At least the strong rain cleared out much of the smoke. On Wed. we flew from Black Eagle, but only Stuart caught a decent thermal (only one!) and he landed near Tinemaha Res. Thursday July 22 was the best lift of the trip. We had hired the Lone Pine local, Bill, to drive on our last day there so we could all fly. Launching from Walts first about 10:45, I left Wanoga with over 13K ft and caught even better lift along the ridgeline to Owens Pt. I skipped Owens Pt bowl altogether (!) and proceeded directly to Lone Pine peak where I found stong lift to over 15K. Sailing in front of Whitney, I radioed back to Franz that he should get some great shots of Whitney today from his wing-mounted camera. I will have a separate post on how this digital camera worked out (well). In fact, Franz spent extra effort flying over, and around Whitney for some time taking pictures. Although a bit hazy, the views down the Sierra were wonderful. I remember getting to 16,700 at Kearsarge and tested out the lift along the Sierra crest (it was non-existent). There was very little wind drift, a bit from the SW early, a bit from the E later. Leaving Timemaha at 17.2K I found absolutely no lift in the valley but lots of moderate sink. Feeling a bit desperate for lift I flew low over the Westguard pass road over the foothills area south of Black Mt and started to find modest lift. I worked this into Black, got up high and was on my way North, with moderate cloud cover on the Whites. The cloudbase was a bit higher this time (about 16-17K), and I made good time flying between 13-15K. I was able to safely fly over Boundry, but getting over the desert, had a hard time making headway as the wind direction seemed to have changed again. I decided to burn off lots of altitude and land at Basalt. Given the switchy winds I was concerned about landing, using drift, circling and GPS techniques to try to get a read on wind direction. The setup looked good, but as I got to 75 ft the bottom dropped out and (I think) a nearby thermal made the wind suddenly switch my approach from upwind to downwind. Good thing the desert sand is so soft, as I planted my nose hard and ended up on top of my glider. I will have to reconsider carrying a smoke bomb as I always seem to outfly the chase vehicle by a big margin and land in switchy winds (at least on this trip). However, in this situation of last minute, low level wind direction change I don't know if a wind indicator would have helped. Paul also circled down at Basalt (106 mi) to join me, while Stuart came in much lower and landed at Janies (102 mi). Robert and Franz landed at Big Ears. This flight was quicker that normal, I made Walts to Boundry in about 4 hr. then lollygaged over the desert for some time.
A great set of flights to end our trip. That evening Paul, Robert and Franz headed home while Stuart and I returned to our camp at Horseshoe. The next morning, July 23, I unexpectedly met Matt at Walts on my way home. Of course his great tale chronologically follows this one....
Mike K

levineb
Member
(7/29/04)
Where's Nobu
Great story, Matt!
Your language carries all sorts of resonances. Particularly, when you write:

A few minutes later Nobu came back out of Black Canyon, still low but still flying. "Whew!" A divine wind must have helped him I thought...

If memory serves, "divine wind" translates as "kamikaze".
Barry

Ernie Camacho
Administrator
(7/29/04)
Story telling - it doesn't get any better
All you folks are doing a great job of not only telling us what you did, but describing it well enough that I can be there in the air with you as you bounce around the sky at the mercy of the sky gods.

Great story telling! And of course, it'll all be preserved for posterity in our archives.

I'm looking forward to the photos and the stories behind them.

MattsFlyin
Unregistered User
(7/29/04)
Words
You are correct Barry. My original intention was to use the term in it's pre WWII sense but I figured it would be too confusing to many. I decided to go with the english meaning and see if it would be noticed.

Matt "Kamikaze Enthusiast" Jagelka

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