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Chris McKeon
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(8/22/04 9:00 pm)
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St. John Fly-in a rookie's thoughts.
Hi Guys.

I have been thinking about the Fly-in that finished up today.

I was a rookie at St. John. I have never flown there before this weekend.

I really enjoyed it. Great site, for sure a good XC site. I launched pretty late in the day. I was right behind Robert Moore. Thermals were very tight down low, launch level. But I got up. At arround 7,500 MSL. it got pretty rough. But above 8K it was better for me. I left the Mtn. at around 8,500 MSL. I played it safe and stayed in the valley most of the flight.

I landed at Elk Creek with another Predator Pilot. I think his name is Ben?

Saturday night we had to tend to Dick Girards car. Dick's
eletrical system failed. In the end we towed it to get it
started. Lucky for us Dick's car is a 4spd, dissel. Other wise we would have had major problems. My tuck overheated twice Saturday PM.

This AM. Dick and I caravaned out of St. John. All was well with both Dick's car, and my tuck. His ran all the way home. My truck never broke a sweat.

Best of all it was great to see my friends. Donna, Jon, Leo, Kurt, Ernie, Nevada Dave, Lyndy, Justin, KM, both Matts, Doc, and many others.

I will go back to St. John.

Thanks for a good time.

The Big Guy in the Sky.

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asaceu
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(8/23/04 10:34 am)
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dave's bulge
As many witnessed, I didnt have to haul my lil brother's belongings back from Utah afterall - so I stayed on vacation and had a great time flying Slide on Thurday, then broke a downtube in easy LZ conditions.

So there I was, all proud of my broken aluminum at Saint Johns launch and ALMOST installing my round basetube and big wheels. Had another fun flight w/-(behind) you-all, then broke another DT! in fact, I also managed to divide my carbonfiber basebar IN HALF with my right lower leg too.

This note is just to thank all fifteen of you that decided to pull off the road and see if I was still breathing, sling my sorry butt into Wayne's SUV and pack up my wreckage up for me.

It's a good that Lindy drove me to a Kaiser in Sacto - because we learn that Kaiser wont pay if I went to an ER elsewhere!!!!!! The x-ray results: nothing broke.
While in route, my lil sister, the Kaiser nurse, told me this was the greatest thing to happen for me because now I can stock up on lots of prescription pain meds. (And stop asking her for excess morphine) For my rescuers; KM, two erics, wayne, two bens, and all the rest that made fun of me// i mean, //helped me - down at elk creek, I've got a new bottle of vicadin to replenish your first aid kits in your harnesses.
I haven't even consumed the five extra vicodins they initially gave me because I wont be needing them. It's more fun to watch nurse Lindy take pity on my minimal suffering.
I'll be ready to terrorize the skies over launch soon. Where we flyin next weekend?

-dd

MattsFlyin
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(8/23/04 11:19 am)
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St. John BBQ
Thank you to Ernie, Donna, Charlie and Kerri for doin' the 'Q for all of us and running the meet too. The food was great and there was plenty of it. I liked the prize format and the fact that we emphasized driver appreciation. You made it a success. We should use that format more often.

Of course a lot of thank you's to Mary for her generosity! We are very lucky to have such friends.

Thank you all again,
Matt

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It looked like a stellar day was brewing and Wayne was the first to step up to the plate. Ben and another pilot were hot on his heels and as I finished packing my harness I heard they were already up and out. Daniel was on the ramp as I pulled up behing Ernie while reminding myself the type of thermals I would probably be encountering. Crank and bank, put it on a wing-tip, concentrate more about staying in than maximizing climb.

A great cycle started coming in after a few minutes, and Daniel had a
good launch right into a thermal. Ernie stepped up, gave Daniel a
little time to work up, then launched the same cycle. They were still
in it when I stepped up, but not getting up, so I gave them some time
and then launched into the same cycle. Daniel was on his Eagle so was
struggling a little, but I jumped into the core, and since I've been
flying a lot lately, felt comfortable turning closer to the hill than
I normally do at St. John.

Ernie stayed a couple hundred over me as the thermal snaked alond the
spine toward the peak then broke north over the back of the mountain.
My bubble was drifting toward a couple pilots about 1000' over me,
but just over 8,300' all of the sudden I wasn't finding anything. The
higher pilots went on glide right when I did, them toward the back of
the ridges, me toward the valley side.

Last year was my first XC from St. John and I had spent a lot of time
trying to get up at launch and ended up leaving under 8,000 feet, but
still made it 35 miles, so I wasn't too worried about leaving this
low, and definitely didn't want to go back to the mountain where
Daniel, Scot Huber, and another pilot weren't getting up. Found a
lift line and was able to keep my fpm loss to 50-100 as I glided
along with nary a bump.

I was really hoping to find something before I got below 6,000', but
the first lift I found worthy of a 360 was under 4,000'. I had a
couple LZs within easy glide, and no one else was around, so I zoned
out feeling the lift and climbing in this weak little core. It was
mostly just zero sink, but by flying efficiently I was finally able
to climb.

After gaining about 500', lost the core, so went back to find it.
Doh' lost all of my hard earned altitude and ended up in the same
place I started, but now without a thermal breaking off. Well, time
to glide off to the next ridge, maybe the last for today. Half-way
across hit another with the same character as the last. Turned as
smooth as I could, and gained back up over 4,400 faster than the last
time.

Some pilots were ahead of me working lift the same as mine, so when I
lost it I didn't hesitate. Gliding toward the pilot that seemed to be
climbing better than the other I hit a core that is better than both
of theirs before I get there. As we change positions, both of them
are now looking up at me, one loses his and flies out toward the
valley, and the other comes over to join me.

I thought this one was my ticket up, but at about 4,800' it starts
getting choppy, so once again I head to the next spine. I'm not
sinking much between ridges, but I start getting down to 3,000', and
still only topping out at just over 4,000. I find one thermal that
isn't going up much better than the rest, but the core is really
solid and it feels great doing 360's in air that's as smooth as any
I've flown in at the coast.

Near Chrome I consider heading out from the hills, I couldn't find a
thermal on Red Mountain and have scratched to under 2,000'. I decide
that I probably won't make the road from here so I may as well
concentrate on lift, and with all the fields and small hills in the
area, I'll worry about landing when it's time to set up an approach.

My mind shifts back to lift mode and I spy a hill that has a better
knob than the rest just to the south of me so I fly back to see. The
strongest lift since I left the mountain is over this knob, but I'm
only over it a couple hundred feet and the core is tiny so I have to
bank so high that I'm not getting much climb.

A few hundred feet gained feels like a lot of breathing room, I could
probably make the road now, and this core is hard to stay in. Then I
figure out that the drift of the lift has gotten more from the south
the lower I've got. The thermal only takes me a few hundred feet
higher and when it disappears I stick with my decision to look for
lift and not think about landing.

The stretch I'm about to pass over has plenty of LZs, but absolutely
no retrieve roads that I can see, so I'm looking at a possible 5 mile
or more hike out, but on I go, getting lower and lower. I'm in a tiny
convergence line that parallels the valley, and over the 300'-500'
hills below me are small bubbles breaking off.

I hop from hill to hill, doing a 360 or two over each, just to stay
level while drifting a little further to where I can meet the road
again. There's a glider in the field I'm headed toward, at least a
mile from where I see their truck parked on the road. That gives me
even more incentive because I know there is no way to drive out for a
retreive in these nice looking LZs right below me.

The hills turn into a ridge-line and I bubble along that, finally
realizing that I might actually make it to the road. I notice a
couple people on top of a hill between the glider and the road, so I
figure they're going to help the pilot out of the field. Then as I
can see under the glider, I notice that it's unattended. Lucky this
isn't high-desert flying or a dustie would have come along and eaten
it for lunch.

As I fly by the pilots I yell for a wind direction just to be sure,
and they indicate south, same as the drift has been. As I angle my
glide toward the road, that puts me out of my little lift line and it
starts to look like I might not make it to my preferred field right
next to the road, where my truck is just pulling up, next to a field
with uphill into the wind.

If I don't make it to the preferred field there is a creek, a steep
uphill, and a barb wire fence. It's an easy decision to pick safety
over convenience and I carve a 270 to the left and have a great
landing in a huge flat field, still only a couple hundred yards from
the road. Soon after I carry my glider over next to the gate Ken
Muscio comes flying in and lands across the road.

It turns out that it was Wayne and Ben on the hill, Wayne had been
flushed earlier, and it was Ben's glider left out in the field by
itself, far from the road. They came carrying it out about an hour
later, and didn't look any more tired than I felt from carrying my
glider a couple hundred yards and then rolling it up.

I jumped in my truck glad to be done with the work and to be in air-
conditioning, but before we got more than a couple miles down the
road there was a pilot in a field with the nose of the glider on the
ground and the pilot laying underneath. He ended up not being hurt
too bad, but most of our brains weren't fully working and it took
Wayne to figure out the logistics of getting the glider and pilot out
of there.

The next day was shut down from the strong westerlies, and the
barbeque was moved to earlier in the day. Ernie did his usual
masterful cooking with Donna and Kerri helping out. At the awards we
found out a few ridgids had made it around 40 miles, a paraglider had
flown from Potato hill to St. John then to Stonyford, and only one
flex wing made it over 30 miles. Ken and I were at 27 miles, and Ben
was including the carry. There were plenty of great prizes for
everyone and I won a downtube which was fitting because I had just
replaced a bent one before that flight.

Eric

Edited by: thermalmaniac at: 8/23/04 1:21 pm
Leo Jones
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I had fun. I flew my ass off to get 16 miles!
Wonderful BBQ Ernie. Many thank to you, Donna, Kerri, Charley, Ian Reidel, and everyone who put in so much time and effort to make this event a success.

There isn't much we can do about the weather, but I confess I felt a little disappointed, perhaps snubbed even - and I don't think I was the only one - that so few paraglider pilots showed up at the BBQ to say, "THANK YOU", show their faces, and socialize. I hope they enjoyed their prizes!

We need to think about how we will run this event in future. I don't see much point in trying to include people who don't want to be included - even if they did pony up $30. Both HG and PG pilots who fly St John/Potato Hill, must realize how much hard work Sonoma Wings has done over the past few years to make friends with the locals and to ensure that we can continue to fly there, and fly XC.

I for one wish that we shared the same launches and got to socialize more. And we really appreciate your support in our endeavors towards this end, Gregg.

Leo

Hangfly
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(8/24/04 7:16 am)
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regarding feeling snubbed
Snubbed by PGs! Give me a break. We chose to hold the Fly-in the opening weekend of the PG Nationals. If it had been up to them I’m sure they would have chosen a different weekend and would probably have outnumbered HGs. There were only six PGs entered in the Fly-in, of course not having been at the Pilots meeting you wouldn’t have known that. Most, if not all of those six were at the BBQ. Some may have left before you were able to drag yourself off the mountain. You may have noticed that the BBQ was in full swing by the time you arrived and that many folks were done eating by then. I think you ARE the only one who felt snubbed by the PGs.
I felt more snubbed by some Sonoma Wings members than by the PGs. I would have loved to camp on the mountain, but there was a lot to do down below and few people to help. BTW, the stars were incredible Friday night in the LZ.
Sorry to be so critical, you certainly do your share to help the club. I just think your case for feeling snubbed is pretty weak.
Also we forgot to collect for Chris Giardina's son at the Fly-in. Can we "unpin" the St John topics now? Thanks.
Charley
:b

Edited by: Hangfly at: 8/24/04 7:19 am
Gregg Hackett
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"There isn't much we can do about the weather, but I confess I felt a little disappointed, perhaps snubbed even - and I don't think I was the only one - that so few paraglider pilots showed up at the BBQ to say, "THANK YOU", show their faces, and socialize. I hope they enjoyed their prizes!"

ALL of the paraglider pilots that entered showed up at the BBQ except one person that had to catch a flight. We had more pilots that did not enter because they are new to XC and did not feel that they should enter. A few left the BBQ early because there were very few people in the LZ until later in the afternoon. The people that did enter were there for the enjoyment of ALL type of pilots and to support Sonoma Wings at my urging. I, for one, was appreciative of there support.
Gregg

WMichelsen
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(8/24/04 11:01 am)
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Thanks as always
Thanks to all Sonoma Wingers. Even though the weather was less than ideal, I certainly had fun and will be back again next year.

I'm sorry I didn't stay for the BBQ. But, my driver (Dave) seemed rather bored, and I felt guilty keeping him around.

However, Dave had great things to say about all of you. He had been on the support crew for the last winter Olympics in SLC and felt shunned by anyone more closely associated with the activities. He mentioned that he felt none of that here, and even commented on how friendly and inclusive everyone was. Kudos to you all for such hospitality. Keep it up.

Greg Sugg
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Driver Dave
Wayne,

Dave was a fun and interesting guy to get to know. I hope he had a good time, and I hope you can persuade him to come back and drive for you again. Better yet, I hope you can persuade him to take HG lessons and join Sonoma Wings or just join Sonoma Wings anyway and come on flying trips with us and drive too.

Greg

Edited by: Greg Sugg at: 8/24/04 4:58 pm
Leo Jones
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re. snubbed by PGs


Hey I apologize if my remarks were out of order.

I wasn't referring to the numbers of PGs, I know there were only 6 entered - I'm just sorry I didn't get to meet the other 5. I didn't see them at the BBQ, and they were't there for the Thanks and prize giving.

I camped up on top with several SW members, but as the pilots meeting was at Fouts at 9 am, no we didn't drive down to attend. A lot of other pilots didn't attend it either. If you had asked for help down below then you know we would have been there, but most of us saw no compelling reason to spend two hours driving down the mountain and back up again. We all knew the form.

As for dragging myself down the mountain on sunday, I thought we were there to fly. Ernie told us had had moved the BBQ up to 2 pm. We left the mountain at 1 pm - I wasn't driving so it wasn't up to me. We were among the first to leave and we were down before 2 pm - the BBQ had just started.

Gregg had to collect all the prizes for the PG pilots, as none of them were there, and there were several voices of discontent about that - and not from me I might add.

I know everyone has their own committments and reasons for leaving early, but as we were originally supposed to be flying on both days, and the BBQ and prize giving was supposed to be late afternoon/evening, I felt that it was a shame that many pilots left so early and were not there to give thanks, collect their prizes, and socialize some.

I had a great time anyway.

Leo



Greg Sugg
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Re: re. snubbed by PGs
I was one of those "voices" Leo refers to. I wasn't discontented but more surprised that Gregg Hackett was the only PG pilot there. I didn't know that the others had already been there, eaten their meals, and socialized. Since it was Sunday, and everyone had to get home, I don't blame anyone for leaving early. I'm not too sure about the notion of "giving thanks". Sounds religious to me. I'm sure all the PG pilots were appreciative of the work and effort that went into the event. As far as thanking Mary goes, that's done on behalf of the entire group and not something that each person does individually.

Next time we should have the award rpesentations as soon as the bulk of the people are present. That way we can avoid the problem of people not being there to accept their prize, and people can leave whenever they please.

Also, next time we need to consider just how much we really want to have a BBQ. It requires a lot of work, hauling of equipment, buying the food, cooking the food, cleaning up, and hauling it all back, etc. Somebody has to take overall responsibility for the whole thing and not fly on Sunday. If we are serious about a BBQ, then we need to assign responsibility for all the tasks well in advance to someone other than Ernie. HE HAS DONE ENOUGH!

Great job as usual Ernie. I didn't see any chickens, but the tri tip was the best I've ever had. Thanks to Donna and to Charley for their work too.

Edited by: Greg Sugg at: 8/25/04 2:33 pm
Vince Endter
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St. John, what were the results?
I had my truck hooked to my trailer and all loaded by 11:00 am Friday. Nancy was supposed to be home soon. I got a call that she would be late, maybe 2:00pm, then another call, and another. She finally was able to leave work at 8:30PM, but had to be back at work by 8:00 am Saturday. No time to make new arrangements so I spent Saturday unloading everything. I checked the weather and it looked like a 157 mile day! What happened? All I am reading is snips of the whole story. How many showed up? Who flew where? Is anyone going to tell the rest of the story? I am really bummed I was not able to attend.

Vince

Donna Matthias
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Re: St. John, what were the results?
Vince,

I will post the results tonight. I'm home for lunch but I promise I will post them tonight. I was looking forward to seeing you and Nancy. Sounds like she was a pretty busy lady on Friday and Saturday.

~Donna ;)

Greg Sugg
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Re: St. John, what were the results?
Vince,

Scot had the longest flight with 45 miles. There were only about 4 ro 5 beyond Paskenta. It looked great but didn't pan out. I went to Chrome. It wasn't very hot.

On Sunday we had strong WNW winds on the mountain and low overcast which was solid until after noon. Around 3pm from Mary's field the sky looked good to fly south. There was somewhat of a cloud street toward Capay valley. We were all off the mountain by then. The cooler than normal weather was good for the barbecue.

Donna Matthias
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St. John - official results
Hang Glider Pilots:

Scot Huber - 45+
Jon James - 43.7
Kurt Bainum - 42
Phil Ray - 29.5
Eric Hinrich - 27
Ben Rogers - 27
Ken Muscio - 27
Eric Froehlich - 23
Dave Clement - 22.7
Greg Sugg - 22.5
Matt Jagelka - 17.4
Matt Terkuile - 17.4
Leo Jones - 15
Ben Dunn - 15
Ken Martin - 15
Shawn Stiver - 15
Chris McKeon - 14
Wayne Michelson - 14
Daniel Pifko - 8.71
Ernie Camacho - 8.2
Urs Kellenberger - 8.1
Jonas Barbour - 8.0
Charley Warren - 7.3
Dick Girard - 7.29

Paraglider Pilots:

Gregg Hackett - 9.43
Steve Maher - 8.5
Wayne Clingingsmith - 8.3
Peter Rexer - 5.0
Rich Leggett - 1.2
Michal Krombholtz - 1.2

Driver Awards:

Pete - we honored Pete for driving for Scot on his two record breaking flights. Thanks Pete! Great job!

Dave Van Der Stein - 5 pilots
Lori Jagelka - 5 pilots
Anna (Kurt's Anna) - 4 pilots and she drove the longest - picking up Scot, Kurt and Jon.
Justin - 4 pilots
Andy Miller - 4 pilots.

I would just like to take this time to say a huge "THANK YOU" to a few people.

Ernie, thanks for being chief cook and bottle washer. All the behind the scencs preparation that you did to make the BBQ and the fly-in happen.

Ian, for helping me with prizes. It takes alot of phone calls, emails and running around. So, thank you.

Charley, for well alot of things. Making three flying CD's for prizes, helping with the fly-in even though you weren't on any committee, leaving town late on Friday night so that we could run out to Ians and pick up a box of prizes, etc., etc.

Kerri, for getting up at 5:30am Sunday morning and driving to Mary's place just to be with us. I really appreciated your help at the BBQ. Thanks for helping Ernie with the BBQ, serving garlic bread, visiting with everyone and all the pictures that you took. Thank you so much!

Mary Quiberg, our land owner, who graciously let us camp, BBQ, use her frig, water and canal to bath in....THANK YOU!!!!

I have personally thanked these people because they personally affected my life these past few weeks. And, I really do appreciate them.

The fly-in was fun and hopefully next year we can improve to make things run even smoother.

Blue Skies,
~Donna ;)


Edited by: Donna Matthias at: 8/26/04 5:44 am
Jon James
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St John Fly-In
I guess I was the only flex wing to make it past Paskenta. Scot and Kurt should post their flights because they took a different route.

I launched behind Leo at 12:40 and climbed right in front of launch to 8500. Leo and Greg were high above and downwind, Greg left. Leo came back. Gliders were bailing off launch, far below us. We got to 9350 and left.

Leo went to the right and did well in a strong tailwind. I headed more left toward the summit of Felkner Hill and encountered a west wind. There were scraps of lift but they didn't amount to much.

Leo was out over the foothills and losing altitude. I stayed higher, drifting in poor lift when possible. Leo and I were close together near Elk Creek, but he headed out while I nursed zero sink. Soon Leo and another glider were low over Sanhedrin Ranch Road, but hanging on. They began to climb. Eventually, Leo landed but KM got up there.

We went to Alder springs, low, and got up to 3800 feet over the foothills. It was low to cross Grindstone but we went anyway. I got ahead past Grindstone, but came back a half mile to join Ken who was outclimbing me.

I left Ken and flew over the mine on Red. Nothing. Headed back toward Chrome. Another glider, Eric H ? was climbing over the foothills and I found a good one just before I got to him. Climbed to even with Red, about 4000, and headed north.

There was a glider, probably Eric H, impossibly low just past Red, I could see his shadow on the ground as he thrashed around just above the low hills. He made it to the road. Ben had landed in a really nice bowl just south of the road. Ken landed here too. I climbed back to 4000 drifting past Ben.

Nearing Paskenta, I thought of Vince while following a ridge toward town. A few hundred feet above the highest point on the ridge, I got a good one and climbed to 4400. Got another good one right over Paskenta. Climbs were getting better, 400 to 600 fpm in the cores.

Lowery Road was good, with one climb back to 4500. Wind on the ponds was stronger here, obviously from the southeast. Approaching Lowery, I cut the corner severely. Kurt landed ahead, just past Lowery where the road goes north again. Where did he come from? I heard from Scot, somewhere ahead.

Passing about a thousand feet above Kurt, I kept going toward a sketchy lz on higher ground. There was a better lz on a bigger hill just farther ahead and I made it there. My approach was nearly straight in, one little turn, then a big turn on final. The lz was rowdy. I fell through the gradient, pushed out, climbed, got turned a little, and landed crooked. Left skid marks on the grass, bent a downtube, but was ok otherwise. Broke down in the shade. Landed at 3:45. Scot was 2 miles farther.

Anna picked us up, thank you Anna. It was a nice flight, but after 3 hours of scratching below 4000', I was beat.
I turned in everything I came to, and backtracked to lift a couple of times. Near Paskenta, the lift got much better.


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Thank You
I would like to extend a sincere thank you to Ernie , Donna, Kerri,and Charlie for all of their hard work to pull off a very enjoyable Fly-ln. The food was excellent and the company was superb. I flew my personal best by flying just past Chrome and getting a better feel for what lies beyond just flying around the mountain like l've done for the last 13 years. l sure enjoy flying with all the nice people that are part of the hang gliding community. Fly high and be safe . Dave Clement:beer

FRED CLEMENT
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SAFETY TIP FROM YOUR SAFETY OFFICER
SORRY I MISSED ANOTHER GREAT FLYING WEEKEND, BUT I WAS OUT OF TOWN. AS YOUR SAFETY OFFICER IT IS MY DUTY TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE A BUNCH OF AGING PILOTS THAT WOULD GREATLY BENIFIT FROM A GOOD SET OF WHEELS. IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE WHEELS THAT MY BROTHER DAVE AND I ARE CURRENTLY USING, THEY ARE INEXPENSIVE AND WORK GREAT!!!!!!!! THESE WHEELS HAVE ALREADY SAVED MY BUTT THIS FLYING SEASON MORE THAN ONCE. THEY HAVE MADE SOME TUFF LANDINGS INTO A NOTHING LANDING. WHEELS- DON'T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT THEM. THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT OF YOUR SAFETY OFFICER. YOU MAY FLY NOW;)

wind2walk
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A few photos of the Barbaque
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Wayne@wind2walk.com

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